Horacio "Pechi" Quiroga: "I will determine until the last day of my life to quell the populism of my province and country"



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The radical mayor of the capital Neuquén, Horacio "Pechi" Quiroga, spoke with certainty about who had been considered the next governor of Neuquén. Believe that on March 10 the formula for Change, where the evangelist's representative and pastor, David Schlereth, is seconded, will make history, by cutting for the first time in a 57-year poll of the Neuquén Popular Movement hegemony (MPN).

"As happened with the PRI in Mexico, in life nothing is eternal," he said in his office in the capital on a movement that grew "Peronism perfected in his exacerbated population" during extensive interviews with Infobae. The MPN succeeded in establishing itself in power without change, he said, imposing a sophistication: "What Neuquén said is not a province, not a country or continent, but a separate planet, and one planet that inhabits the planet and is not affiliated with MPN instead of Neuquén, this is Mars without a future ", this is downloaded.

Polls about the intention to vote so far indicate a virtual parity selection scenario among the three main candidates who aspire to the government. According to the measurements of Julio Aurelio, who was hired by Quiroga, radicals were charged by one and three points (24%) to the former leader piquetero Ramón Rioseco (Neuquén's Front Citizen Unit, with 23%) and governor Omar Gutiérrez (MPN, 21%). Facing this narrow margin, is characterized by contests without ballots, where the difference in one vote can determine the election, the reality is that no one forms a clear winner.

Quiroga knew this and, facing the scenario, pulled his gun: applying increasing hydrocarbon royalties and dispose of it in infrastructure; intensify the "lag behind conventional production" and tender other areas that can be immediately exploited. He also postulated diversification of the economic matrix province, today is monopolized, he said, with the extraction of non-renewable resources such as flakes gas and flakes Mau oil increase fruit exports; empower vitiviniculture; supporting livestock and increasing tourism.

"From lithium scanning to salmon farm installation In environmentally friendly places, I think of sustainable provincial development for 50 years, "he said, and he doubled his commitment to security, public work, and in the subject still waiting for it – he stressed – that it was title of property for legitimate land dwellers.

According to Sedronar, Neuquén holds highest cocaine consumption per capita in this country and criminal statistics put the province asEgunda in the national ranking in the number of robberies every 100,000 inhabitants. In that context, he said he would fight drug crime and form elite groups in the provincial security forces and train them in criminal intelligence.

Quiroga, "said firmly admirer of Julio A. Roca ", It is empathic to recognize itself as a politically incorrect candidate: "Political truth is left to the left, which is a useless group and plunges the country," he said. And other statements that sound loud are reserved, among many other things he postulated in this interview, describe Pope Francis: "An Argentine Pope, populist and Peronist must arrive to destroy an institution that has lasted more than 2000 years."

-What is the objective condition that you believe can end MPN's hegemony?

-Like what happened with PRI in Mexico, in life nothing lasted. MPN began to rule the same day when I took first communion, in 1963, and could last 57 years because the party functioned as an official and opposition. But to assume the opposition is responsible, all you need to do is become a guerrilla. It was added to the industry puncture and clientelism that makes us today more than 70,000 civil servants: 38% of the economically active population in Neuquén. Because you have to understand that MPN today is perfected Peronism, with populism exacerbated in its DNA. It has been regulated by the budget shared by each resident far exceeding other provinces. Taking the example of the 2017 budget and comparing it with resources per resident of Córdoba ($ 34,000), Mendoza ($ 36,000) or Río Negro ($ 49,000), Neuquén has $ 108,000. However, there are no jobs, we don't have better health or education and we bring provinces that are very indebted. For every $ 100 they enter, there is a debt of $ 62. And we are happy every time the dollar rises because what we receive for royalties increases. On the other hand, in the municipality that I lead, for every $ 1000 that enters, we owe 0.97 cents. There is a clear administrative difference: we don't spend more than we have, we have learned to save and we allocate 37% of our budget to large public works without having to owe.

-Providing changes at this crucial time of economy, do you increase or decrease the vote for your election?

-What is at stake is how Neuquén province will be managed. And I will not deny who I am, because I keep good and bad and more or less. I am aware that we live in a situation of extraordinary sadness, where the limit of everything is hunger. But to go or get rid of damned genes called populism, we have to cross the river. With sadness, with tears, with delay. But this bipolar Argentina must look at one thing: whether it goes back to the past, at the risk of becoming Venezuela or we cross the river bravely facing more waves and storms coming, knowing that the situation is complicated. I will not speculate on what suits me best. I want to continue to make the power to cross across the river and see from the other side of populism as a stage that was defeated by Argentina.

-What effect do you think there will be between neuquino if The President came here to support him?

-This will help clarify the waters. Because there are some who believe that the President has a better relationship with the governor. I praise that good song: it must be like that.

– Do you feel delayed?

-First, I'm not jealous. Second, I experienced the other side of the coin during Kirchnerism. In my years as mayor I never received. Don't even give me cold and spit coffee. I'm talking about Minister Kicillof, who I'm tired of calling once a week. I told his secretary: "Look, tell him that I need to meet him to show him the good financial results we have, but also to get some resources for work that we don't have on his back, also tell him that if he won't take care me, No problem: I will keep calling him the same, and please tell him, too, in my name, that as I know he will not accept me and even know that I must hold back, that he must go to the most respected mother I will repeat this as a lay prayer every week until he stops being Minister of Economy. "

-But he doesn't answer the question: do you think he can break away from the national economic situation in front of his voters?

-I have won elections in adverse situations, on different paths in relation to who ruled the Nation. In 2011 we competed against Kirchner, against MPN, and against UCR which was my side. We win the same. People know what we have done in the city of Neuquén. And he knows we can repeat it in all provinces. When I took over the intention, the paved road was only 30%, today 80%. We took the terminal which is a certificate of shame and we made other modern terminals as if they were airports and now we will launch the first Metrobus. We developed the entire Paseo de la Costa on the Limay River, which is an inaccessible area and today is an extraordinary public space. We created an Art Museum that is connected with MNBA. We bring to Julio Le Parc, the Picasso exhibition, Rembrandt, Goya carvings. At present the museum, designed by Mario Roberto Álvarez, is a monument, which was awarded by the International Biennial of Architecture. And all with city resources. All of these transformations aim to change public space. This year we estimate there will be a construction permit for more than 1 million m2 in private investment. In addition, we aired the first Metrobus.

– Senator Guillermo Pereyra claims to Nation funds historical improvements to develop Vaca Muerta. Do you agree that the National Country must invest in infrastructure in Vaca Muerta when oil royalties enter the province?

-I won't argue with Pereyra; Having vision that is too wild for my taste. For the Nation, all you have to ask is that you comply with federal tax participation. Not only do we not need to ask for pesos from the country to develop Vaca Muerta, but when managed properly, there is no need to ask for pesos. You cannot have a federal government with 24 governor hoses. Each province must be aware of the potential of its territory. And regarding the issue of Vaca Muerta, in particular, these resources must be protected. We will not use it to pay for electricity, gas, overtime, toilet paper, coffee or to make cheap demagogies and maintain the pointer industry. We will change them to improve the quality of life of neuquino, promote urbanization, infrastructure work, development in general.

-What will be the efficient management model for Vaca Muerta?

-I agree to develop flakes but you also have to do it tenders and increase conventional well production which has a much lower operating cost and which can be reduced by a few points from gross income. But Neuquén must increase royalties. One variable could be that tenders, which are processes of competition and selection, are given based on who pays more royalties benefits for companies that determine investment the fastest. Today the area has been concessed and companies are allowed to do real estate businesses: they do not place them to produce immediately, then they sell them for exploitation by others or they do not directly invest in extraction. In the latter case, royalties are zero. We must maintain all these resources because we are the owners. Neuquén must use what has been produced in infrastructure, as I said, and enable economic diversification. We must increase the exports of the fruit and wine industry, strengthen livestock in the northern provinces, target tourism and exit to conquer the market. Chile with the same raw material as Neuquén. I also think about lithium exploration for mining, although I don't like open mining, and in developing salmon farms in a safe and suitable environment. I think for the next 50 years.

-Are you not afraid that you want to modify the rules for oil companies accused of violating legal security?

-The good thing about that is that we all demand. And that looks good because the demands that are well understood can lead us to success in both. For example, they are we will demand greater environmental control, because we have some problems. I am not afraid of big entrepreneurs; I respect them and we all need this province and Vaca Muerta. But oil and gas activities have three stages: exploration, production and remediation. If there is one we don't do, we make a mistake. And when I talk about economic equality, I also place myself in the position of the company, especially when some CEOs have to explain to shareholders things that cannot be explained. For example, the arrogance of the bosses outside of Vaca Muerta, or irregular work by pseudo society mapuches that really makes mapuchismo: they have a large selective capacity to choose places to create chaos. Or they are places of high real estate value, in the national park area, or where there are hydrocarbons. And I assure you that there were no lizards there before.

-How will you fight it?

– Enforce the law. YPF has made more than 200 criminal complaints in Neuquén province and has never investigated or issued conducive measures. There are even 27 wells in Loma La Lata which cannot operate because the community demands drilling rights that do not exist. Here a country is allowed to operate in another state: Mapuche country works in Neuquén country. I know that YPF feels it is very difficult to explain this to shareholders. There were days when they took deposits, they could not operate and Neuquino lost as much dollars as they did. If we all obey the law, the use of violence is not necessary. But here it uses violence, except the State.

– Will you speed up the delivery of certificates to communities that have waited for years?

-Logical. You must regulate the situation and tell them that they may enter the capitalist system as happened in other parts of the world. They have the initial benefits of land ownership and the possibility of associating with other communities or ethnic groups to achieve economic equality that enables them to live better and of course pay taxes.

-The area owned by the community is not exempt from tax?

In fact, in Neuquén, nobody has anything, because they have never given a title. Not only Mapuches, also the crianceros from the north and many others have a precarious working period. This is a matter of priority: we must change the legitimate occupants to become owners. And anyone who doesn't, must go.

-This is not the same as being a mayor rather than managing security forces in provinces with high crime rates which also lead to drug use. What are you postulated in terms of security?

-We have to understand why these numbers are produced. There is no doubt that per capita income in Neuquén is higher than in other provinces. There are two aspects that we have learned: cocaine obtained from Bolivia costs 1,000 dollars per kilo. In Argentina, the price is up to five times higher. But if it passes to Chile, the fee is doubled.

Is there traffic from Neuquén to Chile?

-I have spoken with the minister [Bullrich] and control has increased a lot. Here are steps like Icalma, who is at the top of Villa Pehuenia, where There are sporadic clandestine steps through the quads and some of those people were found anesthetized. In the provincial sector, it is necessary to reach wells and reservoirs more effectively. The same Pereyra said that that 40% of people who work on deposits consume cocaine.Now, someone takes it. In the same way that there are clandestine brothels. They are all things that must be eradicated and the first thing to do the dealer Is that we will form elite groups to make intelligence. And that they did not come to me to run after the left, they did intelligence to the opponent, to the left or the syndicalists. Thus they eventually became functional for drug trafficking and organized crime. Because some rulers, including the present, are afraid to make intelligence because of that prejudice. We will do intelligence and Narcos will be afraid to come to Neuquén because we will put them as prisoners. And we will deal with organized crime with the force of law and with all instruments owned by public officials, including their weapons.

– What do you think about how Minister Bullrich handles security at the national level?

-This has increased a lot, has thrown a very clear message to society, despite the country's famous progress, which is a useless group that plunges the country. He is encouraged and makes a difference.

-If he is elected, he will implement a policy similar to the minister …

-No, much more demanding. He is managed in the country of residence before they rule those who believe they have the right not to be right. Those who say that in Argentina there are fewer poor people than in Germany and when they deny them, they say: "I am right and what?" In this society where there are still many rights left to be untrue, we have to develop protocols that are not necessary for me. Let's end with hypocrisy: if we want a police officer who never points a gun, say: "Sir, you will never get a weapon."

Isn't your election proposal too radical for people who are used to other rules?

-Of course they are, because what we propose is change. Here the police are social workers. And I don't know whether the Neuquen community is ready for this change, but politicians have a mission to make the future. Politicians who believe that the problem resolves projects the worst case scenario.

– How was the poll?

-We have 24 points. We are one point above Rioseco, FPV, and three from Governor Omar Gutiérrez, MPN, as measured by Julio Aurelio. The number of Isonomía contributing to the central government is the same.

-What is the strengthening of the intention to choose the attributes of this Citizen Unit?

Neuquén is a very Peronist province. MPN was born from neoperonismo. That is why the worst Peronism outside Buenos Aires is always from Neuquén. The problem is that the MPN, which concentrates and contains all Peronism, runs away. He turned to say: "No, we are Neuquén". At present there is polarization and that is why I see the possibility of making a change. Even if it wins the Civic Unity, it will too welcome alternately.

– Even though Rioseco is located in the antipode of its ideology?

-Yes, and fortunately, if not all say the same thing. Do you think that much of what I say to me is worth saying? The truth is no. But people know me and if I ever lie to them, they will realize that I said it because of election problems. Beyond that I am a big man to hide my thinking.

-But he is also a politician in the campaign.

-But for me politics must be passed say what it is. And I, besides being an admirer of President Roca …

-He has seven children, is he very Catholic?

– I am a vocational believer despite my adolescent's efforts to become an atheist. I belong to one chupacirios family, where on Sunday sat the priest at our table. And I always see the church as a solemn, mysterious and almost perfect institution. An Argentine pope, populist and Peronist, must arrive to destroy an institution that has lasted more than 2000 years.

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